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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2010 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A fellow Deadhead's modest proposal (non-Dead non-partisan(?) political)

Yes, even as a war mongering history buff, I am constantly amazed by the military industrial complex and the expenditures associated with it to fight "the last war" as we with war on the brain term it...lets call IT discretionary, and stop it for a year...we'll find out two things: how many people ARE employed by the gubermint, directly or indirectly thru "it", and we won't be attacked...

I am no peacenik, and there are a number of great ideas out there on minimizing the threat from terrorism with far less money; the amt we spend on "it" is either a manifestation of a new and different "welfare state" (this is NO knock on the warrior, some of which are family members), or a manifestation of a frighteningly naive and ignorant approach to maintaining our safety and role as world watchdog (ie, lets face it, we do have our special interests overseas).

OK, I gotta stop these political/military nonDEAD posts, right?

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 3, 2010 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A fellow Deadhead's modest proposal (non-Dead non-partisan(?) political)

PS I gotta second the love for those military history digressions, though, because I love that stuff. Really enjoyed your post today about the Zulu - who knew? Well, I guess you, and probably a few million other people, but I didn't.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2010 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A fellow Deadhead's modest proposal (non-Dead non-partisan(?) political)

Well, really Fen, don't encourage me, or I'll really start posting again ("hmmm...?" I hear most everyone here wondering to themselves: "this is a SLOW down?").

One of my all time fav movies to watch with the sons (as I did with my old man) is "Zulu" (MCaine's intro movie if you like him; along with a number of well known brit actors: Nigel Green, Sydney Baker, etc.) which though over the top for sure, gives a solid account of the battle that followed the one MJ and I were speaking of elsewhere. That would be the battle of Rorke's Drift, 100 some odd members of the 24th foot against 4k Zulus, in which 11 or so VC's were awarded (yes, the most ever for an engagement). They lost 20 men, and held. Yeah for our team! Well, forgive that imperialist outburst, but you get the idea.

There is a pathetic movie with Burt Lancaster in his WORST performance as a brit officer, "Zulu Dawn" that covers the first battle, at Isandlwana, made in 79, but make sure you rent the plain "Zulu" flick if you go for it. In that battle, due to a strategic blunder by the leader, and some tactical mistakes/miscues, 1500 troops/aux's were slaughtered, incld young boys that had terrible things done to them, and it represented by far the worst "loss" to the brits til WWI.

Here's a pic I took in the BrMus of a famous painter of the defense of Rorke's Drift (see? I warned you!):



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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 3, 2010 9:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A fellow Deadhead's modest proposal (non-Dead non-partisan(?) political)

Well, you never know what you'll learn here! Thanks for the movie review break here during the Deadhead Political Hour. My kid has developed a huge interest in that particular war, for some reason. I can hold my own on the CW, but the Zulus ... um, not so much. That will go on the Watch-Over-Xmas list (since Netflix doesn't exactly deliver here.)

edit: This just sunk in ... Burt Lancaster as a British officer?!? That sure will be, um, interesting.

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-11-04 04:37:18

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2010 9:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A fellow Deadhead's modest proposal (non-Dead non-partisan(?) political)

Just make sure you get "Zulu", not "Zulu Dawn", or "Shaku Zulu"...Any movie with Richard Burton narrating the opening, and the Welsh Borderers (Miss D? Do I have that right?) singing, has got to be good...

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 3, 2010 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A fellow Deadhead's modest proposal (non-Dead non-partisan(?) political)

Just bumped Zulu to the top of my netflix list - i may have actually seen that movie in the early 80's but remember nothing abiout it. Thanks for the rec.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 3, 2010 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A fellow Deadhead's modest proposal (non-Dead non-partisan(?) political)

I'm sure you know that when DDE made that famous speech about the military-industrial complex, he was persuaded at the last minute to excise the word "corporate." It's all about profit: just look at what happened in Iraq. The national treasury was dumped posthaste into the pockets of grossly overpaid private miltary contractors, while our real American warriors had to buy their own body armor. It's despicable, and, like the economic crash, somehow all Obama's fault ...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 3, 2010 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A fellow Deadhead's modest proposal (non-Dead non-partisan(?) political)

"You go to war with the Army you have" - Donald Rumsfeld